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Residents protest smoking ban, bars left empty

Published: Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Updated: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 01:03

The smoking ban for Cabell County went into effect Tuesday and is generating a lot of talk around town. It is expected to affect the proposed budget.


"The reaction I have noticed is pretty equal," said Shannon Oakes, manager of Mac-Reedo's. "I have heard both sides. Some people feel their personal rights are being taken away and others are thrilled."


Over 50 bars came together and hired an attorney to file an injunction that put the ban on hold for a week. The injunction was lifted in the hearing by Circuit Court Judge Jane Hustead on Thursday. 


The Health Department gave the bars the weekend to notify customers and delivered letters to all the bars in the county informing the businesses that they are now a nonsmoking establishment, Oakes said.


"I think you will see a lot more people at home sitting on their patios this time of year, being able to light up, drink beer and not put their money back into the community, and it's just sad," she said.


One rule of the ban is if you are smoking outside, you must be 20 feet from the property, and a server or employee cannot be working in the area, Oakes said. 


"I think that we will be better off than some places just because we are able to have an outdoor area for smoking, and they can still sit and enjoy their cocktail or food with a cigarette," Oakes said. "But we're just more fortunate than other places in that matter."


The bars that will suffer the most are the ones with a large clientele of smokers and don't have anywhere for the customers to smoke, she said.


"On Fourth Avenue, people will have to go outside and across the street to smoke a cig to comply with the 20-foot regulation," Oakes said.


Although Mac-Reedo's isn't too worried about the ban having an affect on their business, other bars such as Maxie's Lounge, that depend on video lottery revenues, are not having the same luck.


"We are seeing an impact, and it is only the first day," said Chelsea Elmore, bartender at Maxie's Lounge. "All weekend it was dead."


Maxie's is usually full in the evenings, and the video lottery machines are usually all being used, Elmore said. There have only been a couple people in the place all day, and nobody was occupying the machines.


"In a lot of ways people are protesting, this is their form of protesting, and it stinks because they're protesting against the wrong people," Elmore said. "We don't want this. We absolutely don't want this.


"Basically our business is gone," Elmore said. "People are staying at home or going somewhere else. Whatever they are doing, they are not coming here."


The majority of the gamblers are chain-smokers and do not like to leave their machines, she said. Although smokers can go outside and reserve the chair for 10 minutes, they don't want to.


"Reserving chairs is not a problem because nobody is even coming in," Elmore said.


The city of Huntington is also being affected by the ban with the expected decrease in video lottery revenues, said Deron Runyon, director of finance. A council member asked the finance department at the budget session on Saturday if they had considered the effect it was going to have.


"I did a little research and looked at how Charleston and Kanawha County were effected when they implemented their smoking ban in July 2008," Runyon said. "It was pretty consistent that there was a 15 percent reduction in video lottery revenue."


In the proposed budget for the 2010-2011 fiscal year the city has estimated $251,180 in video lottery revenues. If Cabell County and the city of Huntington have the same drop as Kanawha County, the city will have to cut around $40,000 from the budgeted revenues, Runyon said.


"Some might say that's money that will stay in the community and be spent other places, but I don't think that argument works that well in this situation," he said.


The city might also have to decrease the proposed liquor tax revenue for the budget but they are still looking into that, Runyon said. Currently it is estimated to bring in $498,000 in revenues.


Cigarette butt littering on the streets is a problem already, and it is just going to increase, Oakes said.


"There have been jokes of people gathering the butts and dumping them in the Health Department parking lot, but we would never do that," she said.


There has also been talk in both Maxie's and Mac-Reedo's of citizens getting together like the bar owners did to try to fight the ban and shooting down the Health Department levy that's going to be voted on in May in the primary election.


"A lot of people are talking about campaigning against the Health Department," Oakes said. "These are smokers and nonsmokers who think this is an infringement on people's personal rights."


Tess Moore can be contacted at moore231@marshall.edu.




  
  

  
  
  
  

 

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Jerry Hess
Thu Mar 25 2010 21:09
To the person right below me: Do the years 1920-1933 not exist in anyone's history book, unless it helps them get the government IN our lives? Prohibition - Advocates and RADICALS fought so hard and tried to regulate so much in cleaning up the country they OUTLAWED Alcohol entirely. It was FOREVER banned, we see how well that worked considering it only lasted 13 years. The demand for alcohol was NEVER HIGHER in history and there has never been more alcohol abuse in history. With tobacco addiction as high as it is and as "pleasing" as it is to people to smoke, I fear we're inevitably going to hit the same prohibition wall. Banning something doesn't make it stop or go away, they'll just do it illegally. Stopping bans and removing the heavy regulations and restrictions will actually make people use tobacco less, as weird as it sounds you will see drastic decrease in the use because it doesn't have the negative taboo that it does now. It's the temptation factor, that's not something just made up it DOES exist and it DOES happen.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 22:00
Kole- you are right I should of made myself more clear. What I meant was I think smoking bans are inevitable and it is something that is going to be happening everywhere eventually. But I think it should be nationwide, or at least statewide so it doesn't affect individual counties as much. If it was a nationwide law then people would complain but eventually get over it and not travel to neighboring counties.

Honestly I don't agree with it at all, but I just think it is something that is going to happen everywhere in time.

Kole Shannon
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:50
Anonymous #3, you pointed out very good reasons to NOT have the ban, but still maintained that it was a good idea. If its not going to stop people from smoking, the state will not save any money, the state will lose money from lottery revenue, and it hurts people who have put their life savings on the line in order to be self-employed, why in the world is it a good thing?
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:18
How is the amount of health care money saved going to make any significant change if the people that smoke STOP going to the bar and go somewhere else to continue smoking. You really think just because there is a smoking ban in bars these people are going to stop smoking HA! These people are set in their ways. Obviously they have no intentions to quit anytime soon seeing how they used what little money they have to hire an attorney to try to stop this.

I do think it is a good thing that the ban has come into affect, but I don't think it is going to save money in anyway shape or form. If anything these bars are going to close down and a lot of people will be jobless. Several of the bars are ran by elderly women and men in their 60's who are not going to be able to find another job. These people will most likely have to get on welfare and that's more money that will be going out. NOT COMING IN.

If they are going to start enforcing these bans they need to make it a nationwide thing so neighboring counties don't benefit and the money can stay in the county.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 15:58
I agree with you, but the angle of the story is the negative impact, not the positive.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 09:08
What a silly article with an uninformed attempt at "balanced journalism" by presenting whatever point of view contradicts logic. The lost revenues from the video lottery are nothing in comparison to money saved in health care and/or the improvement in the quality of life from secondary smoke for hundreds of Huntingtonians in a city that has recently been declared the must unhealthy place in America. The ban might even reduce smoking, a leading cause of cancer.

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